Marie Claire: Early Frunzevna, which of the projects was the most difficult?
Rano Juraeva: All the projects that I have been involved in are interesting. All interesting projects are complex. What's the hardest one? I think the one I am leading now. I have not yet had such large-scale tasks. TSENKI - The Center for Operation of Ground-Based Space Infrastructure Facilities is a thousand business processes simultaneously.
Isn't there a difficulty that can scare you?
Any complex task consists of tens, hundreds of simple ones. The main thing is to understand its structure, what it consists of, and not lose any of the elements. If you know this, the complexity is not scary. Everything is like in mathematics. When I entered the institute, I studied with a tutor - an excellent mathematician, whom I still thank for teaching me how to solve problems of any complexity. It came in handy at the institute, when defending a dissertation, and then when I started working in the field of managing complex technical systems.
Was it that you did not manage? Or was the task so difficult that it wasn't even worth trying?
I will say from my own experience, but it is quite serious, sometimes I managed 30-40 projects at the same time - you cannot solve a problem if there are no resources. I have no desire. No funding. And, most importantly, if there is no team. The team is the most important thing. And if you have all the ingredients, you can cook any dish.
That is, nothing is impossible?
Yes, and the entire history of human development demonstrates this to us. First of all, space exploration. This is the quintessence of the best that man has done. And it's good that we are in the forefront here. Russia sets the bar when it comes to expanding human capabilities and the work of thought.
Do you have special sympathy for any of your projects? Maybe to the first or, conversely, to the last, as happens with children?
You know, perhaps to the current one. There is something karmic in this. A long time ago, when I was just deciding who I wanted to be, I started with this. Of course, I didn't say that I wanted to be an astronaut. Although in my time everyone said so: "Who do you want to be?" - "I want to be an astronaut." But I wanted to work in the space field. She was preparing for the Leningrad Institute of Aviation Instrumentation - the only university in the country that graduated specialists for the space industry. The competition for the place was 16 people, and I, having arrived from Tashkent, passed it.
Bricklayer, Deripaska and Anisimov are amazing businessmen. They didn't really feel sorry for me. They put up the barriers that I took. And I became who I am now
Why did everyone want to, and you became?
I was kind of purposeful. From the eighth grade I was engaged in this topic, wrote off with institutes, solved all sorts of course problems. It was very interesting for me, and my mother supported me in this. Although the parents are not technical. They are people of art. Mom graduated from the Leningrad Conservatory in vocal class with Antonina Andreevna Grigorieva. By the way, Elena Obraztsova is also her student.
What a twist. Tell us about your family
It all started with the evacuation of the Leningrad Conservatory to Tashkent in 1941. There, the teachers selected children with good data. My mother, then still a teenager, passed the selection and, as soon as the blockade was lifted, went with the musicians to Leningrad. There she graduated from high school, music school and entered the Leningrad Conservatory. The vocal teacher, Antonina Andreevna, and her husband, also a professor at the Conservatory Grigory Mikhailovich Buze, had no children. They actually adopted my mother. When I arrived in Leningrad, they accepted me as their own, settled me on the 15th line of Vasilyevsky Island. But, unfortunately, not for long. After Tashkent, I could not live in the St. Petersburg climate, and a year later I transferred to the Aviation Institute in Moscow. Graduated from it. For more than 30 years she was engaged in civil aviation, when suddenly the call rang:"Would you like to meet with Igor Anatolyevich Komarov?" I still don't really understand what happened. Something divine, beyond human understanding.
Probably 30 years in aviation - it was a kind of training
Exactly! To come into this industry prepared.
What did the "school" of Kamenshik-Deripaska give you?
These are amazing businessmen who have done themselves and have done a lot for the country. I have learned a lot from them and am now bringing it to life. They did not really feel sorry for me, they loaded me, regardless of my capabilities, put up barriers that I had to take. But in this way I became who I am now.
Is there a place for emotions in your business?
When you are sick of something with all your soul, you cannot be without emotion. The whole business, in my opinion, is driven by the energy that emotions give. All the successes that I have had in life are marked by the desire to make the project the most beautiful, the best, the most successful. Moreover, as a leader, I must ignite the team. But emotions can be negative as well.
Can you give me a scolding?
Can. I can knock on the table: “Okay. I got up and went out! " Or vice versa: “Listen, come on, do it! It is not difficult! I'll show you how! Just don’t sit idly by.” You can take a different approach. The main thing is to convey to people the desire to achieve results. Indifference is the worst thing. In my opinion, indifference ruins many of our industries and enterprises. And this is generally typical of GUPs. How is it there? Came to work at nine, left at six. Do you have any questions for me? No questions.
They say you are fantastic at work. Where do you get your time and energy?
Yes, just the thought that I will do this already gives me strength! And I save time. For example, I discuss some work issues at lunch - what to eat just like that? It's the same with dinner. Of course, 24 hours a day is not enough. But if you count that it is 1440 minutes, it is enough time to resolve all issues.
All-all?
Well, not all, of course. Usually I write a work plan for a month, for a week, for a day, and if at least 30-40% of this plan is fulfilled, then I am moving well.
Why are there so few women in your business?
Since all designers, all engineers have to imagine what they are doing down to the smallest detail, they have to have a tunnel mind. And these, of course, are mostly men.
Is it all about biology?
I think yes. Men need to get to the bottom of everything. A thorough knowledge of the subject gives them the strength to move forward and make discoveries. And women are mostly fan-shaped. They have more interests in life, family, friends, life, worries about their appearance. They lack concentration. And then, some things require stamina. Including physical.
Does it only concern space or building a career in general?
I am not a supporter of the glass ceiling theory. On the contrary, I believe a woman has more potential to be successful. Nature gave her the opportunity to quickly adapt, learn quickly, move away from stress, be energetic, beautiful, dexterous, rich, bright, always young at heart. In my opinion, there are no barriers for a woman who strives to create a career.
You look at the rocket flying upward, hear the "roar of the cosmodrome" and understand that you are not here for money, this is pure romance
What turns you on at work?
Difficult tasks. It's like in sports. When you have trained your muscles and can take six meters in one jump, and you are offered 20 cm, this, of course, does not start. And if 6 m 20 cm is a completely different matter.
Do you have some kind of super task, mission?
It seems to me that this approach is characteristic of everyone who was born in the Soviet Union. And then, if you don't set missionary tasks for yourself, it's not interesting to live. I would like to leave something to the children and grandchildren to make them proud.
Did you succeed? Are the grandchildren proud?
I have two grandchildren - ten and six years old, Peter and Leo. Once they visited the launch, and then the senior decided to make a presentation at the school on the topic "How the pilot is launched." Made. He showed it. The teacher then calls mom and says: “You know, something is wrong with your son. He says his grandmother is in control of it all. " Then they apologized, of course. The eldest grandson calls me "Granny Rano". And the youngest hisses at him: "Early Frunzevna!"
What is in your life besides work?
I try not to forget sports. I go to the fitness room for energy and to forget a little. We often travel with the whole family. We recently visited Plyos. I was struck by this place - how amazing the nature, how much inspiration. Even before reaching Plyos, on the way there, I already introduced myself as Levitan and wanted to draw. It is a pity that I do not know how to do this.
Let's class it as "difficult, but possible." What else would you like to learn?
There is a dream that I sometimes even dream about. That I drive a car. I will definitely master it. It is time.
A fundamental point?
Yes. It's important for me not to drive, I need to learn.
Did you pass on your love for music from your parents?
Naturally, I cannot live without going to the theater. My parents instilled in me a love of opera and ballet. I am a frequenter of Moscow performances, and we often go to the Mariinsky with our PR director Maria.
Now you will say that you have time to do your household chores. I do not believe
Why? I can cook something delicious. My grandchildren love my pilaf, and I make it on a big holiday. In general, I really love life, but, frankly, I'm sorry to waste time on this.
Who is the authority for you?
You will be surprised, but this is my daughter. When she was born, I immediately realized that this would be a friend who would always support me. In addition, I have many friends - completely different ones - with whom I have been friends for a hundred years. There are techies, businessmen, creative people. For example, the same Masha - she is a famous writer and a very creative friend. We have been working together for many years and come up with such amazing things … She is a guru in her field. I am in mine. And here we, two gurus, unite, and we get a guru squared.
What do you expect from your employees besides professionalism?
I need live people. They need to want to do something. Not to be at work, but to carry out some movement from point A to point B. There are very few such people. But when I came here, alone, without my team, I saw people here who were on fire. They just didn't have a conductor, a coach to guide them. Then I managed to collect someone from those with whom I worked in other places. They also became interested, they dropped everything and came.
What is the magnet - in your aura or a decent salary?
You know, when you look at a rocket flying up into the sky, and you hear this "roar of the cosmodrome", as the song is sung … This is pure romance. Many people who work here do not work for money, but for their involvement in this topic.
I'm a perfectionist, and if something goes wrong at the airport, it annoys me. In a restaurant - it annoys me. And I'm such a person - not a day without a line - I will definitely express myself
Your projects have such a format as "quality system". Sounds promising, but what is it really?
Well, for example, when I worked at Domodedovo, I had to create this system there. It's simple. If you serve a person at the terminal, he should be happy with the service. And you cannot feel humiliated and offended because you are serving someone. This is your job, and you have to do it with pleasure. And here, at TsENKI, of course, quality is important. We do a full cycle of all work, from the creation of a ground space infrastructure for launching technical complexes to the creation of propellant components, launches, disposal, and transportation. I was very surprised that over the entire period of development of space activities in Russia, starting from 1955, when the Baikonur cosmodrome was built, and up to the present time, the traditions of observing quality have been preserved. Moreover, they are passed down from generation to generation, from person to person. And there were still those who worked with Korolev.
How is the quality system in everyday life?
I'm on this topic. I'm a perfectionist, and if something goes wrong at the airport, it annoys me. In a restaurant - it annoys me. And I am such a person - not a day without a line - I will definitely express myself. I can’t walk past so as not to correct. Maybe it's even boring in some way.
Does humor save you?
We live only by this. At the cosmodrome, they must be greeted with a fresh anecdote. Here the meeting begins with an anecdote. And if a person does not understand humor, if the question "Can I have a toothpick?" They say to him: “I can, as soon as he’s free, I’ll give it to him,” but he takes offense and mutters: “We have disposable toothpicks,” it will be difficult for him.
Here's a little quick survey
I never admit …
… hack-work and indifference.
I take risks easily if …
… I'm curious. Like this project with Marie Claire.
I can not imagine…
… that I rest for five days in a row and do nothing.
In any incomprehensible situation …
… I'm leaving to think.
Do you always see manipulation?
I've had to work with thousands of people, and many are generally predictable. Especially because they want to manipulate me. But sometimes you want to be manipulated (laughs).
Is it difficult to get something out of you?
I am not sorry and not lazy. I’m like in that fairy tale about jelly banks, when you need to free the stove from the pies, shake the apple tree - I try to do everything that depends on me. But I can forget and then I worry about it.
What advice do you have for those starting a career?
I will say this: each person should do the job that interests him. In an unloved business, never become successful. And yet, I believe, you need to constantly develop yourself as an asset. You need to be competitive, modern, and expand your erudition. And if you are really interested in something, you naturally want to know more about it. This is interconnected.
And it's all about her
Rano Dzhuraeva
General Director of
FSUE "Center for Operation of Ground-Based Space Infrastructure Facilities"
Education: Moscow Aviation Institute
Career: worked at the State Research Institute "Aeronavigation", director of business development at Airport Management Company Ltd., was involved in the implementation of projects for the development of the airport complex "Domodedovo" and its non-aviation activities, general director of LLC "Group SINTEZ", head of Aviation sectors in Basic Element, General Director of Airport Systems Development, President of the Civil Aviation Innovation Center, General Director of TranInfoTech LLC, Executive Director of the International Airports Association
Family: daughter, two grandchildren
Perfume: Cartier VIII
Dessert: Rakhat chocolate (Kazakhstan)
Book: I love my diary or "And the day lasts longer than a century" by Chingiz Aitmatov
Photo: Marie Claire
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